The Soup Cans Interview: Thomas Roberts

Former CNN Headline News anchor Thomas Roberts is one of the most visible openly gay news anchors in the country. This week he spoke to me about the Catholic Church, being openly gay in the business and his newest gig with the Advocate. Read on:

You've been the host of "Advocate On-Air" since February. How did you become involved with the show?

I first starting talking with the folks over at The Advocate when I did a cover story with them on journalists who are openly gay or lesbian. This was in the summer of '08. They approached me at the end of '09 with the idea of The Advocate On-Air. I thought it sounded like a great project and I was glad to jump on board.

What do you hope the LGBT community gets from the show?

I hope the LGBT community gets informed, inspired and entertained from the stories featured. But more importantly - I hope ALL people get something from this show. These stories are for ALL people - our brothers, sisters, parents and friends. The more informed we ALL are the better. So my hope is that the link gets forwarded all the time to all people.

It's been almost four years since you publicly acknowledged that you were gay. Looking back, how do you think being an out newsman has affected your career since?

It has allowed me to have an honesty about my life and I find that invaluable. It wasn't easy...and sometimes being a pioneer means getting some arrows in the back. Great risk can come with great reward....and I am glad to have some of this hard work behind me.

If you had to do it all over again, would you change the time and/or place you publicly came out?

The funny thing is I never thought I was "in." Everyone at CNN knew my personal life as did other people in the broadcast industry. I attended an event for the National Lesbian and Gay Journalism Association. I was asked to be a panelist for a discussion and I agreed. It never dawned on me that bloggers there would cover it as "news" However, when it ended up on Perez Hilton I knew it was a big deal.

How do you feel about outing high profile gays and lesbians who are in the closet?

I am not a fan of outing people. But there are a few people I wish would "grow a pair" and come out already.

The rest of the interview with Roberts after the jump. Read what the sexual abuse survivor (in 2007, he revealed he was abused by his priest as a teen) has to say about the Catholic Church and his long-term partner.


You and your partner, Patrick, have been together since 1999 though I'm not sure how it all started. How did the two of you meet?

We actually met in 2000. Wikipedia has the year we met listed incorrectly. I was invited to a going away party for someone who was moving from North Carolina to Pennsylvania. I went and the party turned out to be for Patrick. We started dating shortly after that.

How does he feel about your highly visible television career?

Patrick is a very private person. But opposites attract and we do a good job of balancing each other out. He is always proud of my career and what I have accomplished.

You were recently included on a panel on the Larry King Show discussing the sex scandal in the Catholic Church. Bill Donohue, the president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, who was also present, said towards the end of the program that "The vast majority of the victims are post-pubescent. That’s not pedophilia...That’s homosexuality." What do you want to say to Donohue that you didn't have time to say on the show?

If you look back on the show Donohue prior to that said...

DONOHUE: "It's already gotten better. The time-line of the damage was the mid-'60s to the mid-'80s. But Ratzinger has taken a number of steps. It's harder for practicing homosexuals to get into the priesthood. That's a very good thing. Like father said before, we've only had six cases of allegations in the last year or so. "

And what he said wasn't originally challenged. I had to say that it is not a homosexual problem...

ROBERTS: "Bill is good. But you cannot link homosexuality to a pedophilia crisis in the Catholic church. "

I would like to ask Bill what he would say to all the little girls who have survived sexual abuse at the hands of priests. This is not a heterosexual problem or a homosexual problem...this is a criminal problem and a collar should protect no criminal.

How do you feel about, not just the Catholic Church, but religion in general?

I don't believe people should use religion to spew hate or intolerance.

You've been an east coaster for much of your life and moved to Los Angeles a couple of years ago. Your thoughts on the city?

LA takes some work...but the weather is always nice :)

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The Soup Cans Interview: Lynne Russell

The Washington Post pretty much summed up how scores of people felt (ourselves included) when Lynne Russell left CNN Headline News in 2001 after 18 years at that network's anchor desk. “We are, frankly, devastated by the news… Lynne Russell is leaving…the future seems a little sadder” said the Post. Since her departure from CNN, Lynne's been keeping herself busy (as always) selling her own brand of silk lampshades, hawking real estate and hosting her own radio talk show. Soup Cans recently caught up with Lynne to talk about her professional and personal life as well as her new adopted home of Canada.

What are the biggest differences between anchoring a news desk in the US and anchoring one in Canada?  

Good question. First, let me say that I wouldn’t trade anything for the people I’ve worked with in the broadcasting industry in Canada. I have made some very dear friends. It’s interesting that there is a flow both ways across the border. As you know, there are many Canadians on the air in the States… although I might be the first American, and probably the last, to anchor the CBC (more on that in a minute). After nearly two decades with CNN - and then 5 years traveling and writing - I went back to TV news here in Canada, because it’s a hard habit to break. I did not expect it to be the same, and it wasn’t.

It’s actually difficult to compare the networks I know first-hand, since CNN is an American commercial network that’s all about immediacy, and CBC is Canadian government-run, without a breaking news approach. It is the BBC in a hockey sweater. Here are a couple of differences:

American networks do not promote themselves as lending a particular nationalistic viewpoint to the news (whatever one might think actually happens!). Yet CBC “Newsworld” promotes itself as providing “news with a Canadian perspective.” To me this is an astonishing admission, a disservice to the viewing public and exactly the opposite of what it should be. A journalist’s job – privilege and responsibility – is to tell the story, explain why it’s important, and then shut up and allow the public to draw their own conclusions. I have faith that they are very capable of this.

Then there’s breaking news as a priority: Even at small local stations, there will be at least a reporter on call in the evenings, to chase down facts and interviews when news happens. At the CBC that was not the case, as a large staff focused attention on the late evening program (which left me tap dancing around stories, and left the public uninformed unless they tuned to the other networks, which were indeed airing more information). That late evening program is the network’s “showcase”, an hour-long, slow-moving compilation with a documentary feel, that runs several more times in the course of a day. It’s very nicely done – some of it is brilliantly produced – but just don’t call it news.

Most telling, I suppose, was the day in 2006 when a Canadian was tragically killed in an American friendly-fire accident in Afghanistan, and I was abruptly replaced on my scheduled newscast by, well, by a Canadian. I wondered why there were two of us sitting in Makeup…

So yes, it was an experience. As they say in Jersey (and my family does), what’re you gonna do?

Read on to find out what Lynne has to say about The Patriot Act, Chuck Roberts, the legendary Jane Russell and the current state of TV news. We've also included a picture she kindly sent us of her most recent hairdo (we were in awe of her ever-changing hair in the 90's. So sue us.).

 
What are your feelings on the state of television news today? Do you miss it?

Sometimes I have an almost overwhelming urge to grab a news photographer and go right some wrong. That will always be there. I continue to feel a real dedication to the people’s right to know. As I speak to journalism classes at a college here, I keep hammering home that the exchange of information is the basis of a free society, and no contribution is too small. I know that sounds corny, but it’s the truth, and it isn’t something that changes over time.

And I continue to be optimistic about television news reporting (and anchoring, which, when it’s done right, is simply reporting from the set), although there should be less “I” in the copy. When you’re telling me about my world today, I don’t care what you think, what you want after the break, or who you talked with last week. Skip the self-promotion and show biz. Get to the news.
 
Not many people pursue their interests with as much fervor as you do. To name just a few, you are a licensed private detective, sheriff's deputy, a black belt in Choi Kwang Do and design lampshades. How does someone acquire the focus and drive to do so many different things with such passion?

That’s very flattering. Maybe it’s a lack of focus, ever think of that?! It’s just that we should not let other people place limits on what we think we can accomplish in our lives. When we realize that we can actually try the things that interest us… and we understand that discontinuing them is not a sign of weakness or failure, that just having the guts to sample something new is an accomplishment… then we’re free to have some fun! You use the word “passion”, and you’re right. That’s the key.

 
Why did you decide to get involved in real estate?

In the States, I enjoyed buying, leasing out, and selling houses. There – and here –  I was exposed to the good, the bad and the ugly. I always thought that if I had the chance, I’d like to be the agent I wished I’d had, on more than one occasion. So voila.
 
What kind of similarities do you see between news and real estate?

In both cases, you have to take the initiative. Reminds me of an important lesson I learned from a Secret Service agent, when I worked for a Honolulu station. As a visiting dignitary was making his way through a crowd and getting into his limo, I yelled to the agent, “What are the odds he’ll slow down so I can talk to him?” (okay, I was hoping he’d help me out with that) and the agent shouted back, “Make your own odds, Lynne!”  So I did, and I got the interview. Same thing with the rest of life, including real estate. The opportunities are there, but you’ve got to make them yours.
 
You and Chuck Roberts were the king and queen of Headline News in the 1990's. What was your relationship with him like? Do the two of you still talk?

We’re still in touch. Chuck is my hero, and should be running the place. He did the very first Headline News-cast. He’s kind, intelligent, experienced and even-tempered. We’ll always be friends. I have a photo in my living room of the two of us on one of our many General Election nights. He always did the politics (which he totally gets… amazing, since he doesn’t play politics, himself. This is a compliment.) and I did the rest of the world. His was more interesting.
 
How do you feel about news anchors also being viewed as sex symbols?

Smoke it if you’ve got it.
 
In your book, How to Win Friends, Kick Ass and Influence People, you talk about the possibility about you and your friend Jane Russell being related. Have you ever confirmed that to be true?

Jane sent me lots of family information and photos, which my mom misplaced. Jane’s dear late husband, John, thought we were related, and got us together. She’s the original glamour girl, so I hope it’s true. Whenever I write, I sign it ‘the other Russell”. She’s so gracious, she told me that I should re-take the picture on the back cover of How to Win Friends, Kick Ass and Influence People using the same haystack pose she made famous in The Outlaw. To me, that was the ultimate compliment.
 
In the past you've said you couldn't reveal which celebrities you've been a bodyguard to because it would "blow (your) cover." Do you still work as a bodyguard? If not, can you now reveal who you've worked for?

That’s right, had to pass up being on Tom Snyder’s last week of talk shows (he was my favorite interviewer, ever) because I couldn’t reveal clients. Unfortunately, I still can’t, just a matter of keeping to the word of the contract. Haven’t done much body guarding, lately. Legal guns are so hard to come by up here, it wouldn’t be as much fun anyway!
 
Your first book was such a fun read. Do you plan to write another?

Thanks. Back in 2005, I was nearly finished with “Enemy of the State: the state of personal liberties in post 9/11 America” when I realized three things: my co-author cared more about his tennis game, publishers either didn’t care or didn’t dare to take up the issue, and Americans sadly weren’t willing to consider that their daily lives, their privacy, their liberty and their well-being were in jeopardy at the hands of their own government (especially the Patriot Act and the Homeland Security Act). Much of what the book demonstrated as a clever but sad set of circumstances for one fictitious family, became commonplace fact. We weren’t willing to ask enough questions, so in a sense we got what we deserved.

And, yes, I did put my money where my mouth is. After I left CNN, I was asked to do some instructional videos for the federal government, to train local police to operate according to federal requirements, and I had to say that I could not in good conscience do it. The way things were going, I had no idea how my contribution might adversely affect individual rights.

At present, I’m having fun with a quick-read novel about (how original) a television reporter who is also a private detective. It’s very much based in fact. Yet there are so many similarities with some of Janet Evanovich’s details, I’m changing mine. She, of course, has nothing to worry about anyway!
 
You currently have your own talk show on Newstalk 1010 in Toronto. How does it feel to be more candid about what you have to say on the air?

Took some getting used to. Being a professional question mark for so long requires that you see both sides of absolutely everything, and honestly it’s hard to stop. But for those two hours, I’ve got it goin’ and there’s no turning back. Where but on talk radio could you say that Sarah Palin would be a vice president who winks like she’s turning tricks?

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